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Software de rastreamento da Phorm por provedores brasileiros não passa desapercebida.

#1 Por freeosbr 02/04/2010 - 21:56
Obrigado MorbidFractal

Vou tentar colocar em ordem as coisas para fazer o artigo e enviar para o Observatório da Imprensa e se possível para outros órgãos, inclusive já enviei o link desse post para um amigo do Tribunal Federal para que acompanhe, ele é diretor do Dpto de Informática e tem contato com o DPF.
Thanks bro
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#29 Por freeosbr
02/04/2011 - 15:50
Obrigado MorbidFractal

Vou tentar colocar em ordem as coisas para fazer o artigo e enviar para o Observatório da Imprensa e se possível para outros órgãos, inclusive já enviei o link desse post para um amigo do Tribunal Federal para que acompanhe, ele é diretor do Dpto de Informática e tem contato com o DPF.
Thanks bro
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#30 Por GNMilasi
02/04/2011 - 18:48
freeosbr disse:
Obrigado MorbidFractal

Vou tentar colocar em ordem as coisas para fazer o artigo e enviar para o Observatório da Imprensa e se possível para outros órgãos, inclusive já enviei o link desse post para um amigo do Tribunal Federal para que acompanhe, ele é diretor do Dpto de Informática e tem contato com o DPF.
Thanks bro


Também já compartilhei esse link com alguns amigos de "responsa"!
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#33 Por alrosc
02/04/2011 - 23:06

Article 5.

XII - e inviolável o sigilo da correspondência e das comunicações telegráficas, de dados e das comunicações telefônicas, salvo, no último caso, por ordem judicial, nas hipóteses e na forma que a lei estabelecer para fins de investigação criminal ou instrução processual penal; (Vide Lei nº 9.296, de 1996)

I have to say better minds than mine will have to work this out but it is my feeling that Phorm have relied on the possibility that as stated XII is only applicable to Telephone and Telegraph communications.
Se a Phorm pensa que o sigilo de comunicação é aplicado apenas a comunicação telefônica e telegráfica, ela está tremendamente enganada. O próprio artigo menciona a comunicação de dados que se aplica à comunicação via internet. Além do mais existem jurisprudências dadas pelos tribunais que aumentam a interpretação dos artigos.

Se tudo o que o usuário faz é rastreado, possivelmente a comunicação dele também está sendo violada. Falo não só de email, mas de conversas via msn e coisas do tipo. É como se fosse um grampo. No Brasil só o juiz pode autorizar a quebra de sigilo de comunicação de uma pessoa e mesmo assim só em casos especiais (investigação criminal e instrução processual penal).



Our experience has been that Phorm will interprete the 'law' to their advantage and go so far as to manipulate or collude with others interpretation of it in order to achieve their goals.
Não tem como a Phorm manipular a interpretação da constituição em favor dela. No Brasil só o Supremo Tribunal Federal pode mudar a interpretação da constituição. Ele é o guardião da carta magna.

Se isso tudo for provado, a Phorm e as operadoras estarão com sérios problemas.

Não se esqueçam de mandar um cópia deste material para o Ministério Público Federal.

Pode ser feita denúncia anônima. Ninguém precisa se identificar. Tenho certeza que eles irão se interessar pelo caso.
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#34 Por Lord Enigm@
03/04/2011 - 00:40
alrosc disse:
Se a Phorm pensa que o sigilo de comunicação é aplicado apenas a comunicação telefônica e telegráfica, ela está tremendamente enganada. O próprio artigo menciona a comunicação de dados que se aplica à comunicação via internet. Além do mais existem jurisprudências dadas pelos tribunais que aumentam a interpretação dos artigos.


Mas é justamente isso que está sendo discutido.

alrosc disse:

Se tudo o que o usuário faz é rastreado, possivelmente a comunicação dele também está sendo violada. Falo não só de email, mas de conversas via msn e coisas do tipo.


Estás começando a entender a gravidade do problema.


alrosc disse:

Se isso tudo for provado, a Phorm e as operadoras estarão com sérios problemas.


Essa é a intenção, não só aqui no Brasil. wink.png

Bem observado, é ponto!

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#35 Por Marcos FRM
03/04/2011 - 00:40
Este excelente tópico mostra que não podemos depender da mídia para obter informação. Todos de olho vivo nessa gigantesca violação de privacidade. É aterrorizador. E apesar das nossas leis serem falhas em vários aspectos, neste caso, o cidadão brasileiro está bem amparado. Basta o Supremo/MP/sei_lá_quem mandar esses vigaristas para bem longe, ou melhor, para a cadeia, se possível...
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#36 Por luky22
03/04/2011 - 01:07
Olá amigos;

Pelos post aqui colocado o problema e bem mais embaixo, com td isso que li aqui estou comedo ate mesmo de digitar aqui no forúm, se sabem de cada passo que damos, quem garante que já não sabem de manifestação aqui já colocada?
Simplismente ridiculo isso......
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#37 Por ignacho
03/04/2011 - 02:46
luky22 disse:
Olá amigos;

Pelos post aqui colocado o problema e bem mais embaixo, com td isso que li aqui estou comedo ate mesmo de digitar aqui no forúm, se sabem de cada passo que damos, quem garante que já não sabem de manifestação aqui já colocada?
Simplismente ridiculo isso......


Pra isso bastaria que alguém com esse Navegador habilitado passeasse por este post. Como isto aqui é um fórum, isto já deve ter acontecido. Mas este é um tipo de informação que eu acredito que é praticamente impossível de controlar, porque já tem gente demais sabendo. Agora é só usar a quantidade ao nosso favor e divulgar por aí, em todos os meios que nós tivermos à nossa disposição. piscadela.png
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#38 Por MorbidFracta...
03/04/2011 - 03:06
Obrigado todos.

Yes, based on what I have read then Phorms activities would or should be considered illegal. Of course I am not a lawyer so what I might say may be worthless or meaningless.

That should also have been the case for us in the UK but unfortunately our laws, RIPA,

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents

were 'poorly' implemented. I would not recommend that you try and read that one. Brasilian law makes much more sense to me.

They should have been transcribed from a set of European directives but the process was not robust. As a result the UK government has been subject to the possibility of prosecution by the European courts and has recently being reviewing this,

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/30/eu_phorm/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/30/activists_protest_at_short_consultation_on_ripa/

Unfortunately our authorities would seem to favour the views and requirements of industry over and above those of the people.

In particular there is a concept of consent which includes a reference to implied consent. I would not know if there is the equivalent under Brasilian law but it is something Phorm relied on over here and, as linked to previously, worked with the authorities to ensure a particular interpretation.

You will see that Phorm is making a big deal about their 'clear and ongoing choice' so they may well be relying on some concept of consent whereby the user gives permission for their communications to be intercepted in this manner. Of course the way they go about this and how well it and the consequences are explained to the user is another matter.

The legislation presently being formulated with regard to data protection would appear to include such a concept of consent for data processing although it may not relate specifically to such interception,

http://culturadigital.br/dadospessoais/
http://culturadigital.br/dadospessoais/files/2011/03/PL-Protecao-de-Dados_.pdf

Possibly in some way covered under CAPÍTULO III REQUISITOS PARA O TRATAMENTO DE DADOS PESSOAIS. Again this is not necessarily related. I must say I am a small person without too much knowledge but I am impressed with the above document and the process. It is unfortunate that the consultation period is now closed. I am sure that some/many here may have wished to contribute. Perhaps that is still possible.

Initially, in the covert BT trials, Phorm relied on 'implied consent' arguing that since the people had signed contracts with BT to deliver their internet connections they had, in some way, given consent for those communications to be used in this manner. There are continuing concerns that companies might choose to bury such 'acceptance' in their terms and conditions.

Even with such consent, explicit or implied, from the user there is still a problem in that consent has to be obtained from both parties to the communication. That would be the user and the website they were in contact with. Phorm relied on a suggestion that websites are 'published' or 'broadcast' and as such consent or implied consent was in place.

To me this is blatantly false. When you visit a website you, in effect, identify yourself and request the content you wish to view. The website, as set up by its owner.. a person, can either accept or refuse your request. It is a one to one exchange and as such represents a communication as might be subject to regulations on interception. Under UK law, although Phorm tried to work around things, consent from the website or its owner would be required.

There is another problem here in that Phorm does not identify themselves but rather they pretend to be you, the user. As such a website might consent to your request not knowing that the contents of their website, their probably copyrighted material, would be subject to scanning by Phorm for commercial purposes. I might be sure that if they did know many would be inclined to refuse the request.

During their time in the UK Phorm attempted to address such issues. Naturally they did it in a manner to ensure greatest benefit for themselves whilst making it very difficult for website owners. They offered two basic options. The first was that website owners might request to have their sites placed on a Phorm maintained blocklist [I'm not sure if I should use the term whitelist or blacklist]

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=Phorm+Website+opt-out&btnG=Search

Some webmasters noted that when they made such requests to Phorm the content of their sites was spidered and recorded by Phorm prior to receiving acknowledgement of their request.

The other option offered was that webmasters might use the robots.txt protocol to exclude Phorm from accessing their content. The problem being that Phorm refused to provide a user agent identity but insisted that others should indicate their choice by blocking Google, Yahoo or other search engine services. Like them or not but such services are of benefit to webmasters, Phorm is just a parasite. You might see that the choices they are offering are no choices.

So far I have not seen mention of the company or there partners making such a lack of choice available in Brasil. It might be interesting to know what the policy of UOL will be regarding such matters now that they are apparently no longer partnered with the company.

I have previously mentioned that 'Your Personalised Internet',

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9682/experimetoi.png

Is in fact the front end of a RSS news feed aggregator with, other peoples, content being delivered from the d.oix.net sub-domain. Until recently it was possible to view this but now Phorm have 'hidden' it. Perhaps leaving it accessible was a mistake but I did recently question Yahoo about their content being used in such a manner..

http://www.overkill.talktalk.net/yahoo/

Otherwise here are some more pictures.. The main access page,

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8011/doixmain.png

You will see that they are scraping content from the UK, where they have failed, Korea, where they have failed, and Brasil where I hope they will soon fail as well.

Abril, one of their partners..

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/3910/abril1.png

Note that these 'feeds' are been taken from abril.fp.oix.net They are hosted on the OIX domain and I would suggest that fp stands for Feed Partner.

The following examples are not given such 'special' treatment but are taken directly from the sites concerned.

UOL

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/1913/duol.png

This is UOL who, apparently, are no longer a Phorm partner but, assuming Phorm is not stealing their content, seem to be quite happy to have it used in support of Phorms operations.

Estadao, the company that never had a partnership with Phorm..

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/2066/estadao1.png

The number [79/3508] represents, at the particular time I made this visit, that 79 feeds are being taken from the Estadao website out of a total of 3508.

http://www.estadao.com.br/rss/

Almost the full set and today it may well be. What might concern me is that whilst these companies, Yahoo, UOL, Estadao and presumably others might wish to claim no association with Phorm it would still seem to be the case that they are prepared to let Phorm use their feeds for commercial purposes..

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8852/yahooterms.png

I might assume the others impose similar terms and conditions so either these are being violated by Phorm or there is some agreement in place to allow their use in this manner. As I suggest this will drive traffic to their sites. I did ask Estadao and Globo about this but received no response.

Globo

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5835/globo1.png

They call us 'Privacy Pirates' and we wear 'TinFoil Hats', mine is an ingot, but when I see things such as this I have to wonder who might be involved and to what level such involvement descends..?

Alrosc: Regarding e-mails or other communications. Phorm will, probably rightly, claim that they only monitor traffic on Port 80, HTTP, so you might assume other communications are 'safe'. Even so there is still the issue of Web-Mail carried over Port 80 as raised by Dr Richard Clayton during the 'Open Meeting'.

http://tobymeres.net/

I would note that Phorm claimed that they would be publishing video content of that particular meeting. You will see a 'professional' cameraman and his equipment in some of the footage. Phorm never did live up to that claim...

They also claim that they avoid other content that might be sensitive. Perhaps they do but it is very reliant on the methods used and there ability to properly implement such things. The Web-Mail is an example where you might feel things have not been fully thought through and, along with others, would be a cause for concern.

FreeOSBR: I am guessing OS is Operating System and BR is Brasil? Thank you for taking the time to sort out my 'ramblings'. There will be more later/soon. I do not know whether it will be relevant to your situation so, being disorganised, I'll just carry on throwing it up..

My concerns might be misplaced but take care with the press. I am sure they have a job to do but I will mention that the WSJ article,

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704243904575630751094784516.html

received a lot of input from myself and others more qualified which did not appear in the article. In many respects that may have been understandable but some were not overly impressed with the result..

By the way. NoDPI was set up, presumably with help from others, by Alexander Hanff..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7380384.stm

http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts/interfaces10
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11210635

Senhor Donedo, Senhor Hanff, Senhor Costa.

Perhaps, for some, the subject matter might not be so interesting. However you might enjoy the question and answer session towards the end.

As I say.. more 'rubbish' later.

Keith Alexander Mallen.

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#39 Por MorbidFracta...
03/04/2011 - 13:25
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I believe that the more that people know and the more people that know it the better. Much if not all of what I am posting here has been mentioned elsewhere and CADE has been given the information as well. Phorm may choose to 'hide' things and spin stories but it is important that people are aware.

What I am publishing here is part my discovery and some from others. There is a wealth of information out on the internet if you search for it. I am probably guilty of presenting what I remember and know. I should say again that the information is there but some of the interpretation is mine and I may be 'biased'. Hopefully I do not overstep the line.

What we have found is that whilst we make statements and interpretations this is based on 'evidence' that is published and others can check as to its validity. It is the ethos of this 'room'.

https://www.hardware.com.br/comunidade/sala-desta/668335/

Yes, they do watch 'us' and I am certain that they are reading this thread since it has been noted elsewhere. There have been a number of times where they have reacted to our 'discoveries'. It is part of the service we provide to Phorm. mostrando_lingua.png

There is evidence that Phorm have tried and failed elsewhere. I might add Romania and Slovakia and yesterday I received a reply from Singapore Telecom. I had just noticed myself that one of the pictures I published from the Korean information mentioned Telstra, Australia, and Singtel, Singapore. It is not definitive so I have asked for further clarification..

From: g-snsales at singtel.com
To: k.mallen at ****.co.uk
Subject: k.mallen at ****.co.uk [T2011040200HDS050Z1342637]
Date: 02/04/11 08:31:03

02 April 2011

Dear Mr. Mallen,

Thank you for your email.

However, we apologize because currently we do not have any information for such service.

Yours Sincerely,
*****
Customer Care Officer
SingNet & Mio Sales Enquiry
As I have said it is difficult to know what Phorm are doing and how well, or hopefully badly, things might be going for them. We have to rely on what they tell us or what might be found out from elsewhere. One of those 'sources' turns out to be Alexa,

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/oix.net#

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This is for OIX, what Phorm call their Open Internet Exchange which is the place where advertisers and marketers bid on your profiles as determined by Phorm in order to deliver you Targeted Adverts and make a profit. Sorry to sound emotive but that is what is happening here as well as with other forms of web tracking. Of course it is all 'open and transparent and anonymous'.... not

OIX.net is the place where the other 'sites' are held as sub-domains.

I can't avoid drawing a parallel between the above picture and Phorms share price. I'm sure you will know that this, advertising, industry might be extremely profitable,

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That £35 share price, peak, would have been indicative of what the company might be worth if they were to succeed. In exchange for that what they offer you as a consumer, as opposed to a shareholder, is some free RSS news feeds that you would be quite capable of discovering for yourselves...sounds like a fair exchange to me

Still. One thing I note from the previous picture from Alexa is that at one time the 'site' was quite active. This was when it was hosting content that people could view on-line. Now if you visit there is 'nothing there'. Then during September of last year something changes. It is at this point that they begin to use the domain solely for their operations in Brasil.

Phorm have made various noises about how the 'user base' is scaling [rapidly] and opt-in rates and advertising campaigns and other 'successes'. They also suggest they are seeking investment from within Brasil although I am not certain how that might work given they are registered as a Limitada.

http://www.phorm.com/investors/announcements.html

Amongst those there is,

http://www.phorm.com/assets/reports/Phorm_Interim_results_30-Sep-2010.pdf

Delay in ramp up of Oi users, which has now recommenced following the announcement of Telefonica.
Which coincides with the time that OIX went 'offline' and started serving Brasil. There was also this just before September,

http://www.jusbrasil.com.br/busca?q=Phorm&s=diarios

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I call it 'The Dash to Brasil'. The three people mentioned above are executives of Phorm with Senhor Ertugrul being the 'main man'. As Americans they had to apply for visas and the above would suggest that this is the first time they had visited Brasil. I would not understand the reason why they did, or were forced, to do so.

Sorry, this is disjointed. I previously mentioned that UOL have said that they cancelled their agreement with Phorm in July 2010.

http://www.phorm.com/assets/reports/Preliminary_Results_30-Jun-2010.pdf

In particular, in March 2010 we announced our Brazilian launch with leading telecoms group, Oi, together with the three leading portals, UOL, Terra and IG. We have since signed 5 further publishers and have a number of additional publisher contracts pending in Brazil.
It is prophetic. Weeks before getting dumped by BT in the UK back in 2009 Phorm were suggesting 'roll out by the end of the year'. It is also the same time that they were making a placement of shares on the local stock markets. I might be certain that they knew BT was going to dump them. They do it again here.

They do not mention Estadao but UOL are still in place. Whoops! Oh dear, next month UOL dump them.. but we will not mention that one,

26th March 2010

http://www.phorm.com/assets/reports/commercial_deployment_in_brazil.pdf

About UOL:
UOL is Brazil’s leading Internet portal with more than 15 million unique visitors and more than 1.7 billion page visits per month, according to Ibope. The pioneer of the Internet in Brazil, UOL has 2.6 million paying subscribers for product, content and access services. It offers the most extensive content in Portuguese, with more than 1,000 journalism, information, entertainment and service channels. Credibility and innovation are the values of the company, which has the most comprehensive product and service platform on the Internet for online advertising, communication, e-commerce, hosting and security.
..and then they dumped us. We are still waiting for Senhor Ertugrul to 'update the markets in due course'.

I hope I understand the meaning of 'Toucan'.. The man is one.

Back to Alexa.

There are 136,614 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Oix.net. The site's visitors view an average of 1.6 unique pages per day. Roughly 77% of visits to the site consist of only one pageview (i.e., are bounces). The fraction of visits to Oix.net referred by search engines is approximately 8%. Almost all this site's visitors are in Brazil, where it has attained a traffic rank of 3,986.
Recent Page Views Per User,

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This is indicative of the redirect that occurs when Phorm check your status and offer the opportunity for you to receive free news feeds you can find for yourselves so they may make a large profit before letting you go where you wanted to do in the first place.

http://www.istf.com.br/showthread.php/15107-Phorm-vs-Provedores-O-fim-da-privacidade-online

I saw this as well but for me, coming from the UK via a proxy in Brasil back to the UK and then back to Brasil before I received the information there was a time when things broke themselves and I was left with a blank page with this in the address bar..

http: || a.oix.net/services/OO?op=in&success_url=http://navegador.oi.com.br/status/ativo.html&fail_url=http://navegador.oi.com.br/status/desativado.html&already_url=http://navegador.oi.com.br/status/ativo.html&tok=2_jMFS8BG9q3VYXkzPOkpAAB

Others in Brasil, as noted, have seen these messages 'flashing' by and it is as mentioned previously our experience of sysip.net during the UK BT trials. I would be concerned that those mentions I have found would indicate that those who have seen as much are unaware and will have been co-opted into being part of Phorms 'rapidly scaling user-base'.

I would not doubt that many, assuming this thing is now at large although I doubt and hope it is not, just click 'yes, yes.. now go away and leave me alone. I would imagine that once 'opted-in' they do not continue to bother you. Otherwise they will be in your face with their 'clear and ongoing choice'.

As I say this is why Alexa, overall, is showing these single visits and bounces. Whilst Alexa apparently restricts its data to the Top Level Domain, TLD..

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There will be a 'margin of error' but 100% of people are being re-directed to a.oix.net in order to have their 'status' checked before being allowed to go where they wished to in the first place or this might be an expression of the effects of search results, perhaps more likely.

ClickStream

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My assumption is that the Alexa toolbar does not specifically record information about the sub-domains unless someone attempts to visit it via a search engine link. As a result it misses the redirect but notes that the user is returned to [navegador].oi.com.br

Apparently Telefonica are still running 'trials'. From what I have seen, perhaps not totally true, they have not even reached that stage. It will come down to what I can see from the UK via a Brasilian Proxy but for the moment it seems that the Oi/Telefonica sites are, lower down, 'intermingled'.

Next something about Korea and other bits if my Brane sorts itself out.

Abraços

Keith Alexander Mallen

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#40 Por MorbidFracta...
04/04/2011 - 07:17
Forgive me, perhaps I should let an expert explain..

http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2008/04/04/the-phorm-webwise-system/
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080404phorm.pdf

my bad,

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080518-phorm.pdf

The comments section on the first link may be of interest.

I'm not clever so I should read more but from an initial scan the suggestion is that the 'Channel Server', the part that matches and delivers up the advertisements, is meant to be collocated with the DPI equipment within the ISP's network.

From what I have seen and my interpretation of it this is, at present, not the case given a.oix.net, b.oix.net, d.oix.net and w.oix.net are located in the United Kingdom on Phorms net-block assignment.

http://www.robtex.com/cnet/91.205.220.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/phorm.com.html#result

It seems similar to what people saw with sysip.net, which was at one time apparently located in 'China'!

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/showthread.php/26498-Exposed-BT-Phorms-Prior-Relationship?p=198666#post198666

I would not be certain but the implication might be that a lot of Brasilian consumer web traffic is going to be suffering from being redirected across the Atlantic to the UK for processing before being sent back to where it wanted to go in the first place??

It is certainly the case that the 'two' [yes a whole two] examples of an advertising campaign I have seen involved the use of a.oix.net and b.oix.net in order to call up the relevant adverts. I suppose Google and others might have the infrastructure to cope but Phorm?

The whole thing strikes me as being something that will not result in a robust service for users in Brasil. As far as I know ANATEL have avoided looking into this on the basis that the 'advertising industry' is not part of their remit. I would have thought that the internet infrastructure is and as such they should be looking at the technical details behind this thing and the sort of impact it might have.

The internet is, in effect, a strategic asset and I would not have thought it would be wise to let any fool plug themselves in and mess about with it. There have been reports in the past that suggest that the local DNS is prone to falling over. How much worse might things get with Phorm as part of the picture?

Or maybe I am being alarmist.. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable might be able to comment?

Keith Alexander Mallen

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freeosbr
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#41 Por freeosbr
06/04/2011 - 18:26
Tem um amigo que não sabia dessa coisa e achou estranho que em algumas páginas onde tem propaganda, ele observou que as mesmas eram bem próximas do local onde ele mora. Ou seja, parece que alguém colocou a propaganda sabendo onde ele mora, inicialmente ele achou estranho mas tudo bem continuou a vida. Só agora é que ele veio perceber o que estava ocorrendo. Esta é uma das formas de se utilizar esta porcaria de software.
Entrei em contato com um jornalista da Folha de SP pelo msn que escreve sobre informática e passei o link desse post. E também enviei para a Casa Civil da Presidência de República, pois a atual presidenta foi uma das pessoas que mais teve seus direitos violados, e com certeza ao tomar conhecimento vai tomar atitude sobre o fato. Mas ainda vou futucar na OAB, ABI e por ai afora. Vou infernizar a vida desses caras sem contar com o artigo para o Obsrvatório da Imprensa.
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07/04/2011 - 15:07
freeosbr disse:
Tem um amigo que não sabia dessa coisa e achou estranho que em algumas páginas onde tem propaganda, ele observou que as mesmas eram bem próximas do local onde ele mora. Ou seja, parece que alguém colocou a propaganda sabendo onde ele mora, inicialmente ele achou estranho mas tudo bem continuou a vida..


Freeosbr, vale lembrar um detalhe.

O Google AdSense funciona assim a muito tempo. Ele se baseia no teu IP para ter uma idéia da região onde você está, e com base na região, ele escolhe as propagandas que vai exibir. Quando alguém contrata serviço de propaganda, ele informa qual a área de abrangência (cidade, estado, pais e etc). Então o sistema de propagandas consegue ter uma idéia da região onde está sendo feito o acesso a WEB e vai lançar a propaganda mais apropriada com base no que o cliente pediu.

O Facebook faz isso também.



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09/04/2011 - 13:13
Korea..

Phorm announced their 'Korean Market Trial' on 21st May 2009,

http://www.phorm.com/assets/reports/Korean_Market_Trial_21-May-09.pdf

Further to the announcement on 30 March 2009, Phorm (AIM: PHRM and PHRX), the interest-based advertising technology company, is pleased to confirm that it yesterday commenced its market trial with leading Korean internet service provider (ISP) KT.

KT customers opting into the trial will not only benefit from existing features such as enhanced user privacy and more relevant advertising, but will also be invited to experience an innovative new consumer proposition, which will be demonstrated by Phorm at a media and publisher event in the UK on 3 June 2009.

TJ Kang, Executive Vice President of KT said: "KT is pleased to be working with Phorm in Korea to introduce this groundbreaking technology."


The 'innovative' consumer proposition was Webwise, named SmartWeb in Korea and now you have 'Navegador'. Free RSS news feeds you can find for yourselves.

At the 'media and publisher event' rumour has it that the press turned up to eat the food and did their best to avoid Phorm personnel. Senhor Kang in a bit.

My impression is that the Korean Authorities stepped in and terminated the trial in September 2009,

http://www.ohmynews.com/NWS_Web/view/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0001208205

Reports 1,000 households in the Songpa Gu district of Seoul. There is mention elsewhere that the 'Korean Communication Commission', KCC perhaps your ANATEL, will be seeking to develop policy to deal with the issue.

Elsewhere Phorm claim two successful trials in Korea,

http://www.phorm.com/assets/reports/commercial_deployment_in_brazil.pdf

Beyond Brazil, we have successfully completed two trials in Korea, about which we will update the market in due course, and we are now active in almost every other major internet market worldwide.


I am reliably informed that Korea only knows about one trial, the one on the Songpa Gu district. It turns out that the claim as reported to a contact and clarification I gave was used to embarrass them.

This is typical Phorm. They tell different tales and rely on the hope that they will not get found out. They announced Estadao as a partner in the UK. Estadao denied them in Brasil. On 30th June 2010 they maintained UOL as a partner in Brasil. In July 2010 UOL announced they had terminated the agreement.

Neither of these events have been reported or corrected by Phorm in the UK. They also fail to report on events in Korea.

On 1st February there was a debate held about Phorm and the use of Deep Packet Inspection, DPI, at the Korean Parliament sponsored by The Korean Democratic Party, perhaps similar to that instigated by Senador Suplicy,

http://www.senado.gov.br/noticias/verNoticia.aspx?codNoticia=103158&codAplicativo=2&codEditoria=3

Documentation for the Korean Debate is available from here,

http://act.jinbo.net/webbs/view.php?board=policy&id=1751
http://act.jinbo.net/webbs/download.php?board=policy&id=1751&idx=2

the second link is a large file.

You can 'stream' video of that debate from here,

http://www.4shared.com/video/3-uOAWu-/stream.html

Again a large file but I hope the format works for you. I is where I picked up the pictures of Senhor Dobbs, Chief Privacy Officer for Phorm looking slightly unhappy, otherwise the debate is, in part, reported here,

http://www.mediaus.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=9383

Realising I am just a small noise and worthless I have to sit in awe at the level of support given by the Korean Government and the level of organisation, knowledge and skill that went into that debate.

The information behind it came to me via Jinbo.net,

http://rights.jinbo.net/english/
http://www.jinbo.net/

This is the Human Rights organisation in Korea and my impression is that they are very good at it.

TJ Kang... He left Korea Telecom in March 2010, one month after the 1st February debate, to work for Samsung,

http://www.seouldigitalforum.org/en/forum/speakers.sdf?page=3&searchColumn=&searchWord=&mode=view&seq=10000000398

You might notice Senhor Dobbs talking to an advisor during the video. That will be Kim Searl, Phorms 'Crisis Management' advisor at the time in Korea who also now works for Samsung.

Naturally Phorm have not mentioned these events in the UK and have not 'updated the markets in due course'. They are, supposedly, 'legally' obliged to but Phorm happily plays footloose with such concerns.

There is a second debate held in Korea on 1st July 2010. Again Jinbo provides the information,

http://act.jinbo.net/webbs/view.php?board=policy&id=1790
http://act.jinbo.net/webbs/download.php?board=policy&id=1790&idx=1
http://act.jinbo.net/webbs/download.php?board=policy&id=1790&idx=2

I would have to dig out video links for that, they are or should be available but I am not organised enough. During this one Phorm, as represented by Senhor Park CEO of Phorm Korea, are effectively sidelined... as in no-one wants to know them.

Second link in the above is a legal treatise by Dr Oh Kil Young, peer reviewed and published on Delsa,

http://www.delsa.or.kr/zbxe/?mid=dls&category=308189&document_srl=308214

Item 6 on the list..

Demonstrating that Phorms systems are illegal under Korean Law. Given the Brasilian Constitution and its underlying articles, possibly without fully understanding, I might suggest the same applies in Brasil.

Of course Phorm will claim that..

http://www.phorm.com/faq.html

Is the system legal?

Upon entering any given market, we will always do so in conformity with applicable law.


Which is a bare faced lie. Phorm will interpret and, in collusion with others, manipulate the 'applicable law' in order to support their entry into a market.

I might mention the applications to CADE, Oi and Telefonica. Both are an effort at deception under 'applicable law'.

Otherwise we get..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/08/cps_no_prosecution_over_bt_phorm/

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/04/08/cps_no_prosecution_over_bt_phorm/

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/2/2011/04/08/cps_no_prosecution_over_bt_phorm/

This is 'British Justice' at work. Supposedly the best in the world.

I might wish my parents were Korean or Brasilian.

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